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tv   Conflict Zone - Guest Wolfgang Schauble  Deutsche Welle  October 31, 2018 10:30pm-11:01pm CET

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sixty minutes. with. the world joining us on facebook. after thirteen years in power and some damaging state election results i'm going to merkel's or thirty is visibly waning she's giving up the leadership of the christian democrats but she'll stay on as chancellor my guest this week here in berlin is. one of germany's most famous and infamous politicians a former finance minister for the christian democrats now president of the
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parliament how long can a wounded angle. cling on to power. conflict welcome to conflict zone. is this the beginning of the end for i'm going to merkel politics. yes of course she has announced it's. not run again for the president of the party and she has an aunt that says me she will not run again after that which by the way. is from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one can she last that long till twenty twenty one . well too much i think she has taken the right decision the third time and look the position of an elected chancellor in our constitution is on
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behalf of expertize we had with the failure of the weimar constitution where a strong once elected chancellor you can only be through out against your own without. agreement if he isn't majority in parliament who elected as the chancellor it is by the way with all the respect not signal not to be in madison in this given this given parliament of opposition is constitutionally strong but inside the party she has her critics and enemies of course doesn't aspire to party and choice to have the federal chancellor as member of the party and not of member of another party therefore i think as a party. we find resist saying so when she's already admitted she's lost the trust
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of the people she really said that before the elections so she's on her way down the only question is how fast she goes down nobody knows look what's happened this is a lot of things which come together in. our as we call it western system of democracy all of law parliamentarism is under stress what happened in u.k. u.k. them the origin of modern parliament there is moved the most important decision in the first occurrence in this century for you kate from westminster to reverend i'm crazy. what's going on all over continental europe member states of the european union smaller to lety made just a fluke what happened in france two years ago but no longer connects to the
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voters there were massive losses in hassle your sister party suffered massive losses in bavaria before that you no longer connect you provide them with a great economy motivate wages most employment and they don't want you in the most part it's all over europe would be happy if they would get twenty seven percent of voters but not the ones who got forty one percent last time it's a huge loss. what i'm saying is trying to say we have different reasons one reason is the tectonic or change in modern democracies i think the main reason for this is a disruption in communication in communication between choice suffer whatever you like by the new technologies the next problem is the resists
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the globalization to be influenced by all developments pi's by vents in all of the world we have german people became aware in the migration crisis in two thousand and fifteen and then of course any long period of government stable government successful government and not just not to be disputed without any doubt the chances above. american has been impressively extraordinary successful for a long time yes but now but now you no longer now no longer larvae who are the beneficiaries the beneficiaries of everything are right and the left the greens and the f.t. that is the normal way of life. everything in human in human life in human existence is for a time and heard so it is over now not over but the time is coming here is weak and
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season is not as strong as it used to be but she is not as we can see has taken a decision in the summer and never for this she is not weakened as a rise any president let's say in france or let's say in u.k. in united states in his second term would be weakened that is not true but you can't ignore the fact that she is part of the problem isn't she now for your party she's no longer the solution she's part of the problem in politics you know this better than i do you either go up or you go down you don't stay still you don't stay still that's human life yeah and you go up when you're going down she's going down maybe but she is strong you remain strong she won't be seen how strong those she be seen as wounded. is wanted and she is strong both together and therefore i would i would not be. so decided she has announced she will not run again that is
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an important step to to announce that i think she is a good turns and we will we will be agreeing in my party that we will not that we would do what we can. avoid brezhnev lame duck therefore we would see what will happen it's not as some are already calling her a lame duck the succession battle has begun as of course in any and it's going to be bloody after thirty or so it will be bloody. i think most most competitors will survive. it may not be so bloody who are going to be the top candidates you will see i don't know i will not give i'm going to give an answer to you that's not my point it's not my role in politics to give in on the and that's because to this very day to be very very from your point of view isn't the worst aspect of these elections the recently elections that the far right the now
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has seats in all sixteen regional parliaments and is the only other polity apart from yours to have seats in all the regional pounds that's a huge achievement for them that's the worst aspect for you isn't it. so. if strength of right wing party if t. is of course i agree so so we are seeing the worst aspect of our my from my perspective it's a matter of fact we have mitra's. round about nine i think ninety two members of parliament in the federal parliament they are all electors they have all equal rights and equal to it is now said so in all state parliaments as a way we have seen in the last two. state elections in bavaria as well as in essence that what has been foreseen by many servers so it will move.
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towards twenty percent or more it's not decide and it can't be changed but of course what we want to resolve all over europe what happened in france since the kids. look what was the reason for the breaks it of and the main u.k. if i remember both of those are still if we may all right here is a chance they will meet with germany of interest been unique your caller says your party's horses opened the door for the. day. that the polls show that sixty nine percent of germans voted a the because of concerns of immigration i don't agree i will tell you we have four for nearly six let's say sixty five years in germany it was most. we hate on behalf of our very specific and
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tragic past advantage said we didn't have a relevant right wing party in contrary to to all parts of europe to parts going on in sweden finland in the us our lands of italy were wherever you like now seventy years seventy years after of after the creation of the federal republic of germany it seems that in sis regard we also become a move towards something like european normality i don't like it i don't like it but it's a matter of fact about immigration gave them the foothold didn't it you're bad for immigration if you look at the policies allowed them to oppress the fear. in the beginning it was not the immigration it was so you have a peon integration which was patterned to create this party called the mother cologne institute of economic. people are united by
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a general sense of unease about the future of the country sixty nine percent lament the negative consequences of immigration that's what you know. if you ask the voters of western yesterday what was the most was a decision. immigration is not in the not in the in the head of the of the range and therefore i'm betting they got into the parliament they got twelve percent and it didn't all over you as a european congress of course my underestimated the i don't underestimate you did and we don't you refer to them in twenty sixteen as boneheads they're not. doing much better than boneheads do we know who we care dismissed them. it is not decided we can't it's to be it can't be changed but it's
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a bit of effect of course we so migration quizes in two thousand and fifteen create a lot of no was it by the way it was also for many for many people all over the world it was a new achievement germany was seen as such an open and generous tolerant nation and the peoples have been to migrants have been created welcome her of with business in the valley called her way but look at the backlash from this little backlash as far as they have to look in twenty two european states now you have a higher concentration of far right parties any time for the last thirty years maybe. but you said last year i think we can say there is no chance germany will ever relapse internationalism i am quite sure you have we will let's let's
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let's be clear they got about thirteen percent. that means eighty seven percent totally clear i think many many people in europe many state in europe member states of the european union would be happy if the right wing party would limited to certain percent five years ago this was unthinkable that they would have ninety odd seats in the bundestag and be represented in sixty minutes him out of the vehicle say maybe in five hundred that was unthinkable maybe in five years i can't remember who said it would do would say it is unthinkable that there will be diminished we will see futures always open it is not in the light of how well they've done don't you want to reassess your come comforting statement that there is no chance germany will have a relapse internationally germany bill never ever. is the nessun of some of the broad majority of german people have never moved our nationalism
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you have to suggest that european integration was the reason part of the reason that the continent overcame the disaster of hitler and the cold war divisions but there is now what president macro calls a civil war taking place in the e.u. divisions of values like the european civil war he said that in april the battle between liberal and illiberal democracies didn't take that. i don't agree i like france president and he make impressive attempts to get reforms in france done his very engaged in poor european banks in europe and i agree if this. i would not i would not say it is worth doing in saying we are in a civil war and on bella's of the face of hungary and poland they've thrown the
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challenge haven't attacked challenges because they've never been there the moment i am quite careful in always criticizing our eastern neighbors they have a different history so they have a different development to have different chances and what they don't need and what they don't deserve is it's a always treated not an equal level but say i. have obvious feeling that we from the vest on we want to teach them we want our we have to do is of no say we didn't have we wouldn't have chairman of the unification but the club has rules doesn't it yes if you are so keen on countries. as apprentice you must must be careful to ask me on the rules of lap of the european because i will tell you. without engagement and that and the courage of east european people
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in times of communist soviet empire we wouldn't have we wouldn't have enjoyed the german unification it was poland it was czech it was hungry all these countries and therefore we must be a little bit more generous to these countries of course me a little girl in the opposite direction you can be generous all you want. to wait and see where i'm gonna direct challenge hasn't he said brussels is currently ruled by those who want to european power directed move. there is a lot of the euro crowd approach migration politicians want to make sure you make me impatient because also respect quoting somebody once no wait a moment i'm an old man and that's fast. me too ok let's be quiet to quote some political leaders with some specific quotes makes no sense and
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properties in discussion in substance we are going for common goods in europe is the way you have seen poland i take power as an example so i have a different understanding on the reform of the system but when so european court decided last week they have to cancel so i have to to correct it it's a decision to send it over to the pension they corrected it and the old pens and pencils has not such as has been called picture for as long as the systems of the european court are respected member states i would not criticize them i am a lawyer and their lawyer lawyer knows they are always different opinion. and should never let me talk to you as a lawyer because the subject of rules came up in new have been most insistent talking about them twenty sixteen you said it clearly all nations must stick to the
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rules of the single currency so this was my boss is no they don't do that who who doesn't the stability pact was introduced since it's been introduced not a single year has gone by without at least one member countries finances reaching guidelines you know this you know this but who are the rules for the little countries. no we in germany read required to respect the rewards really in my in my time in my time as finance minister i did work for respect is what i have i know you have seventy six rule infringement cases against you now in in brussels he got into the greens you're no longer pupil you're bottom of the bottom of the class yeah we are not we are not a model we have never understood our serve as a model for us us so this is not about but we do why don't you apply the rules that we do every word we do or
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a spec. if the european court decides we respect the decision therefore the rule of law is very important and we do respect of course i don't say that turman is result in a mistake by far not but what i what i am asking for has said we have mutual respect and we don't always blame i want abel's in the east i don't like it i bet you've always said no no play by the rules and since two thousand and seven germany has continuously been in breach of european current account i just has to be have to defend the. impression of arrogance in relation to our eastern european neighbors now you are there you are. from germany on this what hypocrisy telling people to obey the rules and you don't you know no one is even german is not perfect is that not to use you can then you know if you're
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going to say i obviously as i am voting in my country to to respect the rules but we don't we are not better sense of polish and out of member states that respecting three rules is an ongoing battle of every day and before you criticize us who have always took care of yourself and we have a lot of reasons to care ourselves but. i would not say as our money does not respect the rules in my time as finance minister i was not going to so as not to respect the rules for fine and the financials and even the fact of stability and growth. and now you have italy the latest challenge to euro zone rules you're smiling about this but they've thrown down a severe challenge to brussels haven't they and. says it once again threatens the euro's existence first time first time that italy's budget has been turned down first time you have heard i would i smile because i would have enjoyed if all these
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people who are now saying this good lesson to italy would have supported me in the times when we tried to tell the great people that they have to respect the rules there's also respect therefore we have exemption was that you went too far with us you know we are right now we did it so i could question in my parliamentary spin i have been too generous in relation to greece and that was also true because the quiz didn't respect the rules but having said this we did it in a in a in a suitable way and i will tell you i was happy that the european commission has said rules are rules i quote your most. responsible commission member of commission and desert our roles and i was happy because in former times it criticised me in saying it would have to be respected now but the problem with italy is the illusion is telling them they can't have the budget do you really think that brussels can
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tell a freely elected country whose economy has been stagnant for the best part of twenty years that it can't pursue the policies it was elected to implement you really think that wait a moment wait a moment do it just try to convince me that we should respect the rules now you are telling me we should not ask to italy to stick to the walls ok maybe it's a contradiction but having said this. i don't play both sides here you see i just want you to play one i will tell you blame others the same i am totally convinced it's the problem of italy is not a lake of death of a lake of deficit it is not the problem of italy if a lack of this. means increasing there is increasing deficit with source italian problems. so how serious a crisis is this for two years as well as
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a serious presence but i think markets will tell. you it will not get financed if you if you have a huge difference or did you want to increase your use to fix it you always have to find someone who is if your credit you have to pay a price and you see you can seize a spreads are increasing the spreads grazing here for i hope this situation is serious so you commission is doing so right job in this when you tell us have said we are not giving in we're not going to be let's wait let's wait and if they don't give in and there's no result we will see i will not speculate but we will see i want to be done and i don't like to people like me i would never like to be blackmailed for loaded with i want if i may to talk briefly about saudi arabia and germany's decision to suspend arms to riyadh after the murder of the journalist jamal khashoggi. i was out on the lateral is ex excuse me not member of government
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i am president of the bundestag federal parliament. to list appropriate eyes duress like myself to commend any decision of politicians and government in this we have a time having said this i would like to make clear chancellor merkel has said if i quote dr li and. says fear is. clear and if we know what's happened if we suspend he did not say we will cancel all our expenses and be to suspend until we have a clear. that says things have been cleared what happened and so if they just do the government i think it's wide i don't slide on what grounds moral grounds it's right to make pleasure said there must be. we
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we do know what we do we have to know what happened really and why and who is responsible for this it's a bit late for morality isn't it i mean there are credible and i don't know the saudis have been committing war crimes in yemen ever since that started the new government did nothing and if you if you want to to charge well politics only on moral moral categories you will always have a lot of problems you have always find the right balance who knows of the film it's a famous german scientist marx reeva. hundred years ago was a dollar to do have to desire it you have to find the right balance between baldwin and. effects and responsibility and and fire and so right balance is a difficult thing every day in politics you have all this god for the right balance you must not pursue a politics without moral or only you can't on the other end not only because
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politics but it isn't only by models that will not be succeed i'm going to. thank you very much for being our government. alex thanks. alex thanks. alex thanks. to a. with the to. the to. the to. the to. the to. the to
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